tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post1409262876002384483..comments2023-04-01T07:15:01.188-07:00Comments on The Man Who Would Be Knight: The Lady at the BeachRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10149992370708449951noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post-49289668320116406392012-04-14T17:53:47.016-07:002012-04-14T17:53:47.016-07:00What I meant by that, and what I tried to make cle...What I meant by that, and what I tried to make clear, was not that she, or her relationship with her family, or her worth or dignity were determined by what she was wearing, but only my ability to see it. That is why I was at such pains to point out that nothing would have changed within the family (which was what I was primarily admiring) although the phrase "it enabled her to recapture&Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10149992370708449951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post-42400995491131388242012-04-14T16:05:15.589-07:002012-04-14T16:05:15.589-07:00The problem is this: "Why did the dress make ...The problem is this: "Why did the dress make so much difference? I am not sure. Certainly nothing would have changed within that family’s inner dynamic if she had been wearing shorts and a t-shirt or a bathing suit. But there it is. Somehow it enabled her to recapture a little bit of the unconscious queenliness that Eve had before clothes were ever invented. "<br /><br />That statement Charming Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15481799867576915560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post-2177620378067806952012-04-12T17:30:51.385-07:002012-04-12T17:30:51.385-07:00I have to disagree again. The attitude that I had ...I have to disagree again. The attitude that I had towards her, as towards all modestly dressed women is exactly the opposite of objectification. There isn't really a good word for it (I've thought of "personification" "subjectification" and a few others) but it is specifically the acknowledgment of this person as a person. It is an attitude of respect. If I think aboutRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10149992370708449951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post-22913771054139534102012-04-10T12:26:05.422-07:002012-04-10T12:26:05.422-07:00What matters here is that you're only thinking...What matters here is that you're only thinking of your own reaction. I'm not defending bikinis or immodesty. What I'm trying to make clear is that your reaction to the woman in the dress is also an objectification--a different kind. A "You meet MY standards of womanhood" kind of objectification. This is inherently disrespectful, because it is not that woman's job or any Charming Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15481799867576915560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post-19906333163495004252012-04-10T05:39:36.843-07:002012-04-10T05:39:36.843-07:00I would have to disagree that there is no differen...I would have to disagree that there is no difference between the two thoughts. You don't see the difference, as a woman, but as a man my experience is that they are not the same thing at all. The reactions to a woman in a bikini and a woman in a dress are so different there is no comparison. (I am talking about reactions, not actions or thoughts). A woman in a bikini is not really seen as a Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10149992370708449951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post-4212507851955570702012-04-09T22:00:57.499-07:002012-04-09T22:00:57.499-07:00*hard, not hide.*hard, not hide.Charming Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15481799867576915560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6269096793816832244.post-8237371063708033912012-04-09T22:00:20.378-07:002012-04-09T22:00:20.378-07:00It seems to me that what you're actually admir...It seems to me that what you're actually admiring about this woman is her confidence in her femininity and as a person. Nothing wrong with that, but what you fail to grasp is that women who live in societies that constantly scrutinize their appearance and evaluate them based on it have a very hide time achieving this kind of confidence. I don't really see much difference between "Charming Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15481799867576915560noreply@blogger.com